House: The Shipper Wars
I have to say, I was pretty surprised by my responses to my review of ‘Lockdown’. I received a lot of angry comments about my view of Cuddy that episode, along with many accusations of being a ‘Hameron’ (despite my lack of ever mentioning Hameron) and being told I was too judgemental, bashing Cuddy… etc. Maybe I shouldn’t have been so surprised, because, as many long-time House fans know, “shipping wars” are a huge feature of the show.
(Before I receive too much hatemail for this, I’d just like to emphasize that this list is what I view to be a very basic chronological order, and only details those relation
ships which affect House himself.)
“Hilson”
The Hilson relationship is often defined as the core dynamic of the entire show. The concept of Hilson is so firmly embedded into the show because from the very beginning parallels were supposed to be drawn between “House” and “Holmes” and “Wilson” and “Watson”, and indeed the entire show is loosely based on the Sherlock Holmes idea. House and Wilson’s “bromance” is dysfunctional and one of the strangest friendships ever seen on television, but the off-beat connection between these two men is staggeringly fascinating to watch. Their witty dialogue, childish pranks, yet poignantly touching scenes really make this shipping pair a truly unique one.
“Hameron”
Hameron, once one of the largest fanbases in the entire House saga, has a devoted following. The Hameron relationship consists of our show’s anti-protagonist, the gruff, older mentor Dr House, and his young and beautiful yet hopelessly naive colleague. Once the golden “it must happen” couple, the word “Hameron” is now used mainly as an insult towards anyone who displays even a slightly un-Huddy or Cuddy view, despite whether or not they actually support the couple. Despite Cameron’s departure midway through season 6, Hameron fans refuse to give up hope that their “eye sex” defined relationship will possibly one day progress into something more concrete, as Cameron’s exit was a shock felt throughout the House community.
“Huddy”
Huddy is undoubtedly one of the current driving forces of the show, and the fascinatingly antagonistic relationship between Lisa Cuddy and Gregory House has always been a core part of the show’s success. As a high-powered career woman, Cuddy is left to deal with House’s illegal, immoral, and sexually harassing antics – which means that the sexual “frenemy” tension between the two is often sizzling with heat. Huddies are currently one of the most vocal and dedicated fanbases, and many agree they usurped the power of the Hameron around season 4, although their chemistry has been present ever since The Pilot and many have been rooting for this ship since the very beginning.
In the beginning the show took a much more Hameron-centred view, exploring the possibility of an amorous relationship betwee
n House and Cameron, especially in season 1 with Cameron’s crush. Their obvious feelings of mutual attraction were a completely different feel from the Huddy attraction, with Hameron renowned for its long, intense looks, whereas Huddy more for its witty banter. After roughly three seasons of an on-and-off Hameron focus, the ship eventually seemed to give way to the Huddy arc, which has dominated for the last few seasons, after moving on from a power-play with major sexual tension to a more possible romance. I don’t think Hilson has changed much, as it is solely a brotherhood, and unaffected by House’s romances.
So – are the writers going to continue down the Huddy path? With the departure of Cameron, it seems a distinct possibility, although you never know – fans could get sick of Huddy if they get too happy or boring. Many fans already feel that the writers have made Huddy more into a childish soap-opera, while others feel it is only just starting to reach its full potential.
Thoughts? Who do you support? Who do you hate? Who do you think is never going to happen? And who do you feel must?
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“fans could get sick of Huddy…” I think this is already happened, and for a long time now! 10.5MLN of viewer is a solid proof.
No Huddy this season to bring down the ratings. If there had been Huddy,this season’s ratings would be great!
This is true. The fans and shippers of House are some of the most freaking insane in all of television (which is why i totally agree about your pregnancy article that it’s on house because of the ‘rabid following’ comment), and often take things WAY too seriously. I’m pretty much a non-shipper, so i could tolerate the hameron seasons 1-3, but the huddy recently is really starting to get me down. if they don’t either go for it or pull back, i think it’s really just going to frustrate fans too much.
Of course you are a hameron shipper. Your twitter account is open and we know exactly what ship you ride. That´s fantastic, it´s your opinion. But bashing Cuddy or calling the huddy relationship a crap (wow what a profesional opinion) only because your ship it´s not an option anymore is just pathetic.
And this is the problem with hameron fans. You can´t praise your ship or your character without bashing our ship or our character. So don´t be so surprised and don´t play the victim because people went to your blog and told you what they think.
LOL, aren’t you a shining example of professional objectivity yourself. People aren’t allowed to have opinions on one ship anymore, just because they happen to ship a different one? Seriously, grow up — it’s possible to offer criticism on a tv pairing or a tv character without it automatically coming down to “ur jes jellus/bitter”. Especially when that pairing is pretty much a canon one. That means it’s a feature of the show, and therefore just as open to criticism as any other feature of the show. TalkingTV’s post makes it clear that s/he’s able to see why Huddy might be attractive to many fans, even if it’s not to his/her own taste. That doesn’t mean s/he has to be “nice” to it, or to Cuddy in every review s/he writes. I’m sure Cuddy won’t mind, what with her not being real and all.
By the way, if you seriously believe Huddy fans don’t similarly bash Hameron or Cameron, I’ve got some nice ocean property in Kentucky that I’d love to sell you.
LOL
I always found the Cameron crush ridiculous. Maybe it was because of the lack of chemistry between Hugh and Jennifer. I think writers wanted to go down the hameron path in the first seasons but they realized that it wasn´t a good idea because the two actors don´t play in the same league. And yes, back then I remember critics and general viewers feeling sick about the posibility of this pairing.
About Huddy, the main problem if that is taking too long and that can be boring. And the stupid roadblocks only can upset shippers and non-shippers. But the unique spark has always been there and always will be.
I’m not a shipper. Never have been, never will be. However, I do take exception to your “lack of chemistry between Hugh and Jennifer” comment. I have seen them in several interviews together, and I think their chemistry is quite evident, and I’m grateful that she doesn’t do the sexual banter, which some may choose to construe as a “lack of chemistry” between the two actors.
I have also seen many enjoyable scenes between House and Cameron, which I think have been loaded with chemistry. One that immediately pops into my head is the end of the astronaut episode, The Right Stuff, from Season 4, when House tracks down Cameron in the ER after learning she is back at PPTH. It’s a lovely little scene that represents Cameron’s understanding of House, long before they turned her into Pod Person/Stepford Wife Cameron. I don’t agree with those who say that there never was anything between House and Cameron.
I think all shippers can point to scenes and episodes to support their favorite pairings, and I think it is ridiculous for others to dismiss those opinions. Unless you are a writer – and I don’t think THEY even know what they are doing these days – none of us have any idea how this show is going to end. For all we know, House could end up with Wilson, Cameron, Cuddy, Evil Nurse Brenda, or the lunch lady. I think he’ll probably end up alone.
Your review was poor and biased. Barbara Barnett could give you a few lessons. She loves the House and Cuddy relationship but she never write something like “hameron crap” in her reviews. I´m sorry that you are so bitter.
Hi, just to say, as the author, I’m happy for every comment I receive, no matter what it says, but can you please just make sure you’re commenting on the relevant articles? This isn’t a review of an episode, it’s a commentary on House’s ships. If you want to comment on my ‘Lockdown’ article, please do so there. I’m just trying to keep everything organized. Thanks!
Barbara Barnett is more than biased as well, so don’t even try to use her as great example, because that’s a poor try.
From what I’ve seen so far the only thing I can say is that hamerons and huddies are both idiots.
So the hameron fanbase is laaaaaaaaaarge but the huddy one is just vocal. LMFAO. I´m all for Huddy or Hilson, I don´t care. But if someone mention hameron i want to puke. That´s all.
We, House/Cameron shippers, don’t have a problem, but it seems you do. You can’t defend your ship or you character without bashing anyone who doesn’t agree with you. So don’t play the victim after coming here and reading something that you don’t like.
As for the article, thanks for addressing this “the word “Hameron” is now used mainly as an insult towards anyone who displays even a slightly un-Huddy or Cuddy view, despite whether or not they actually support the couple.”, you’re so right.
I just don’t think you are able to keep your dislike of the Huddy ship out of anything you write. It’s fine but to be fair and honest, you should just be straight forward and you might get more respect. Even here, you had to sneak in a little Huddy bash in your description why people are called Hamerons. And do you seriously believe that Huddy is known most for it’s witty banter but Hameron is known for eye sex? Hameron was a ship devoted to the crush that Cameron had on House, which affected her every interaction. House was interested in this attraction she had for him and indeed thought about possibly taking advantage of this hero worship/sexual attraction she had going for him. As we know, this went nowhere and even though Cameron blackmailed him into a date it was a dead end. And Cameron knew this as she was watching an obviously hurt House looking at Stacy and Mark and she so selfishly said she was wrong about House not being able to love, he just couldn’t love her. She was so very right! And even though she continued her crush, even trying to trick House w/ a kiss to get blood , he never showed the least bit of interest in her. Sure he kissed back. He’s not a fool but she was, thinking she could force House to care for her romantically by pushing him into being more than her employer. Fortunately DS could see right off that this was not going to work. Even HL was uncomfortable with it and basically said it would never go anywhere. In the meantime, they were moving forward with the ship that has always been the driving force in the show as they showed House and Cuddy in a mutual screwed up friendship that actually meant something to House. The Huddy ship was there from their first scene in the elevator. Even DS says that it was always there from the beginning and had been nurtured from the start. Of course they had to sell Cameron and her crush on House. It was a plot device to advance the story, much like Lucas in Season 5 and Stacy in Season 2 and thru it all we learned something about House. And if you weren’t convinced by the end of Season 5, House’s delusion was a clear example of what he wanted and needed, an emotionally open and honest relationship with Cuddy where they coud ,talk openly and freely and share their feelings and yes, he wanted a sexual relationship with her also but we already knew that. We just didn’t realize how deep his feelings ran for her and how much he loved her for more than just her body. We are shown in Season 6 just how far House will go to win Cuddy’s trust and support. Yes, he tried and failed w/ the pranks but then stepped back and is waiting her out. House has done and said so much to prove his love and attraction is for Cuddy and Cuddy alone and that he will even be willing to make some concessions in his life if that’s what it takes. I respect that you don’t see things the same way I do but please don’t pretend to write an unbiased review of anything House related because you can’t do it. Your Cameron love shows in your every word. I think that’s great that you love Cameron and want to see her more on the show. Just be honest and perhaps refrain from mentioning Huddy and Cuddy because if you can’t be unbiased, it fine but when you pretend to be, it just comes across as bashing and you’ll never get respect as a blogger. I hope you understand what I’m suggesting because at this point, it seems that you are trying to stir up the ship wars rather than understand them or ask for opinions. Of course this is my opinion.
Maybe because in season 1 and 2 House’s feelings for Cuddy weren’t that deep. It was only in season 5 that David Shore said that it was there from the beginning when they were trying to sell that Cuddy was House’s true love. Back in season 2, he said that scenes with House and Cuddy always turned out sexual no matter what he wrote, not that they had any deeper feelings for each other.
Poor Stacy, if only she knew about the retcon that House and Cuddy were OTP and had loved each other from university days. Because back in season 1, it was Stacy who was the love of House’s life. Look at the first 13 episodes, there’s nothing in there to suggest that House and Cuddy had any kind of history other than a professional one. Why would House fall so madly in love with Stacy in one week if he wanted Cuddy? Stacy has been gone for 11 years, why isn’t House with Cuddy now? It’s all re-writing of canon to cater to the Huddies, just as they re-wrote how long House and Wilson had known each other and now have the fourth different versions of what Cameron’s damage is. Whatever it takes to prop the current plotline and canon be damned.
And yet even now House and Cuddy still can’t be honest with each other no matter what House’s delusion was. Cuddy can’t tell him the truth that she wants him at Rachel’s naming or that she’s dating Lucas. House can’t tell her the truth about how he feels about her. House may want an “emotionally open and honest relationship” with her but they are so far from it, they may never get there.
And if you’re looking at House’s delusions to show his true feelings, let’s look at Season 2’s No Reason where House couldn’t trust Cuddy but hallucinated Cameron sitting by his bed for two days till he woke up and fantasized about taking her clothes off, not Cuddy’s.
You can’t trust anything this show says in any episode because like the weather, it’s going to change to prop the next storyline. Look at House confessing to the patient that it’s Lydia who affected him, not Cuddy.
The only emotionally open and honest relationship this show has had was Wilson/Amber. Even House/Wilson isn’t honest because House can’t be open and honest with anyone, not even himself.
Actually, David Shore acknowledged there was always something between House and Cuddy from the beginning between Season 4 and 5.
I couldn´t agree more with you MissHonesty. House was never interested in Cameron in a romantic way. He found her quite interesting but he had her figured out back in season 1 and he always loves puzzles. His attraction for Cuddy is undeniable. First we could see it was a sexual one but as time went by we could realize that it was something much deeper. This hasnt been a good season for the huddy ship. Hopefully season 7 will be.
Since when was House never interested in Cameron? How about when he begs her to come back to her job or hallucinates about undressing her in No Reason? Or maybe when Houses asks her to out on TWO separate occasions (to see monster trucks in S1 and for drinks in S3)? I’m sure even non-shippers could provide dozens of other examples. The fact alone that you say that House was never interest in Cameron invalidates half of your arguement
Hugh Laurie also said that House is very much attracted and drawn to Cameron, but because of the age difference feels the need to hide himself away like the Phantom of the Opera.
House is a character that is not straight-forward or forthcoming. He uses misdirection and manipulation to protect himself. I personally was always moved by his scenes with Cameron because he could be bare and honest with her, even just as a friend. With Cameron, House never made any grand declarations of feelings, but that doesn’t mean there weren’t any. House isn’t that person. He showed he cared for her in small ways because it was the only way he knew how, and the only way he would allow himself.
Oops. I never meant to imply that House wasn’t interested in Cameron, just not interested in pursuing a relationship with her other than a friendly one. I never said he didn’t try and give it a shot either. I did say that in the end, he just wasn’t into a romantic relationship with her. When he went on the date she blackmailed him into he told her she was attracted to him because he was damaged. When he asked her out for drinks in Season 3, it was right after he had been shot and had the ketemine treatment and was able to walk without his cane and was no longer in pain. He did this to prove to her that she was only interested in him because he needed fixing and now that he no longer needed to be fixed, she no longer needed him because she was attracted to damaged souls, just like he told her in Season 1.
if you dont want to acknowledge Huddy from season 1, at least open your eyes on S03. she saved his ass on the stand at the trial, he crashed her dates, dreamed about her flirt, HE grabbed her ass (he didnt kiss Cam, she did), and these at just simple exemple off the top of my head. whatever Hameron exsited was slapped down during their fake date when House made it clear he was neither interested nor oblivious to her nonsense.
Exactly. Hameron was Cameron stalking House. No more. He cared about her and he didn´t want to hurt her, that´s why he never slept with her. House was never into Cameron. He´s been into Stacy, Lydia and Cuddy but never Cameron. This is why Huddy is a possibility and Hameron isn´t.
This is exactly the kind of stupid character bashing I was talking about in one of my other comments. Cameron never stalked House. She showed interest in him, just as Cuddy has.
I love how one House/Cuddy shipper here said House doesn’t hide his feelings, and therefore would’ve been with Cameron if he’d wanted to, while at the same time declaring that House has wanted Cuddy since season one. Which leads to the obvious question: Then why aren’t they together yet? And what was that whole thing with Stacy in season two. You can’t have it both ways.
Oh, and if you want stalker behavior, how about when House looked into Cameron’s medical file in season one. Or when he broke into a therapist’s office and stole Stacy’s file in season two. Or when he rummaged through Cuddy’s trash, also season two. How is it that you give him a pass on that, but accuse Cameron of stalking? It’s ridiculous and sexist, frankly.
You should rewatch Half-Witt, House kissed Cameron with tongue and it was hot
THIS!
WOW!!! THAT WAS A HOT KISS…
Of course he kissed her w/ tongue. She threw herself at him, kissed him and after rolling his eyes, he said WTH, might as well. Thing is, he wasn’t into that kiss at all. We know this because he realized that she had an ulterior motive and was ready for her when she came out with the needle. And he never ever tried to go anywhere from that kiss. It meant absolutely nothing to him.
Every encounter between House and Cameron was initiated by Cameron and he showed no interest in pursuing a relationship with her. Cameron never had a chance to compete with a woman like Cuddy, who House has been interested in since he met her. She’s smart, beautiful, elegant and can match him snark for snark, wit for wit. If House had ever wanted Cameron he could have had her anytime. As Wilson said in 5 to 9, “House is a manipulative bastard who always gets what he wants” He just never wanted Cameron.
I think they never should have started any shipping for House beyond his relationship with Wilson because he’s terrible relationship material and a smart woman wouldn’t have anything to do with him. But since they went down the Mary Sue path where every woman finds him irresistably attractive, I think they should have picked the relationship in which House was the most mature.
With Stacy, they were two crazy adolescents in love but when it came to real world problems, they couldn’t make it work. With Cuddy, there was sexy banter but House was like an 8 year old boy crushing on his babysitter who kept trying to get him to do his homework. Lots of comments about her boobs and her ass, little honesty. I’m going to get bashed for this but if you look at House himself (not Cameron, just House) in episodes like Sports Medicine, Love Hurts and No Reason, it was the most self-aware and mature that he was. Even now that they’re selling Huddy as if Cameron never existed, House still can’t talk honestly or be open with Cuddy unless he’s hallucinating.
For me, the House/Cuddy chemistry left in season 3 when Cuddy started crushing on House. It only worked as long as she was as strong a character as he is but when they retconned a relationship between them (because House wasn’t jealous of her dates in season 1) and made her in love with him for 20 years, she lost her strength and the logic of a relationship between them. Now she alternates between being lovesick and taking out her frustrations with herself by tricking him, lying to him or physically hurting him (Softer Side). Whatever their relationship is, it’s neither romantic nor mature.
Jill, I could not agree more, both with this comment and the one you left at the Lockdown review. I don’t know of any House/Cameron shipper who denies that things have changed and House is focused more on Cuddy now, so it boggles me that House/Cuddy shippers continue to deny that there was anything between House and Cameron. They don’t have to like it, but insisting it didn’t exist just makes them look foolish. It was there. Shore knew it, Lisa E. knew it, Jennifer M knew and Hugh Laurie knew it, and most interviewers from earlier seasons asked about it on a regular basis.
The thing that bothers me the most about this fandom (and it’s probably true in most fandoms) is that women in the fandom bash the female characters and are absolutely hateful toward the ones they perceive as a threat to their ship. I’ve seen Cameron referred to as a whore and a spoiled princess, neither of which apply to her. She slept with one guy in the whole of six seasons and ended up marrying him. How that makes her a whore I will never understand. Was she a bit pathetic in earlier seasons in regards to her feelings toward House? Yes. Just as Cuddy has been a bit pathetic in these last few seasons in regards to her feelings toward House. I’ve seen fans bash Cameron for trying to trick House with that kiss in season three, but none of those people bashed House for tricking Cameron with that “I love you” stunt in season two. All the characters have done crappy things. ALL OF THEM. If you prefer one over the other, that’s fine, but at least be honest enough to acknowledge the flaws in your favorite character as well, and that there are people who disagree with your choice.
In short: Ship and let ship!
I think you have a very valid point…”Ship and let ship”. I don’t approve of all of Cuddy’s behavior nor all of House’s behavior. However to compare Cameron kissing House to House saying I love you to get a cheek swab from Cameron is pretty far out. House was being sarcastic and it was obvious. There were other people in the room and he did not say it with passion or meaning. It was immediately clear why he said it. It was fine that Cameron kissed House also. It’s just not credible to believe that kiss meant something any more than House saying he loved her meant something. Then the Hameron ship tried to turn it into something meaningful and serious. It never showed that Cameron meant anything to House.
Okay, I’ll play and answer you’re questions. 1) I support Hameron 2) I don’t ‘hate’ the other ships (hate is a strong word), I just don’t find them as interesting but that’s just MO. 3) Hameron will probably never happen. If Cameron doesn’t come back as a regular, the ship is pretty much dead. 4) I don’t think any ship ‘must’ happen…not even Hameron. Ya, it would be nice but I just really miss them working together.
Some say the relationship is one-sided…that you have to be delusional to think House ever had feelings for Cameron. I’m sorry but a fanbase isn’t build on delusions and Hameron had a lot of supporters at one point. Had House never displayed any sort of attraction to Cameron, Hameron probably wouldn’t exist or still be talked about. I know some people never saw the attraction but others choose to be ignorant about it. I don’t have to like it but in a way, i do understand it. I guess when the main character has more than one potential ship, ignorance is bliss. 😉
Even Lisa Edelstein said the other day that she was jealous of Cameron in some of the scripts when she interacted with House. The chemistry between House and Cameron was there from the start, we haven’t had the chance to see much of it during the last two seasons but it’s still there and in every little scene.
If the chemistry between House and Cameron had been obvious and compelling, it would be the ship of the show. They tried it on for size and it just didn’t work. I personally think it was a plot device to advance the story.
Don’t deny that there was something between House and Cameron in Season 1 but it was explored and nothing more came of it. Most likely because their chemistry was lacking and because Jennifer Morrison couldn’t carry her part in scenes with the incredibly talented Hugh Laurie.
I agree with you.
To me, House/Cameron was more interesting than any of House’s other ships. (I loved House/Wilson too but the constant repetition has dragged it down.) I just can’t get behind Huddy because House and Cuddy are so childish and mean to each other. It’s not pleasant to watch. I’ve taken to fast-forwarding through their scenes.
I don’t think the show should do any ships at all. They can’t write them believable or in an adult way.
He was very much into the kiss after he decided to go for it. The tongue thing must sting, since House never slipped Cuddy the tongue the two times they actually kissed. Hate as much as you want, but the House/Cameron kiss will always remain the hottest kiss on House.
If you believe there was no tongue in the kisses between House and Cuddy, I suggest you go back and re-watch the videos in slow motion. Those kisses were full of passion desire and feelings and plenty of tongue. The tongue thing w/ Cameron doesn’t sting at all. It’s not the amount of tongue that makes a kiss meaningful at all. It’s the feelings that go into the kiss and what happens after the kiss in terms of how the kiss was perceived. The first time House kissed Cuddy (yes HE kissed her) it meant something to him as even Wilson noticed and pointed out. Cameron kissing House had no passion, desire or caring attached to it (on House’s part) unless you think tongue is indicative of real feelings. House has been shown to have serious and deep feelings for Cuddy on so many levels. If you need to resort to tongue as proof of something important, then there wasn’t anything there at all. House was interested in why Cameron was so crushing on him and I think he made an effort to try to understand her and her feelings because it was a puzzle. I think he also made an attempt to see if there was anything there but it was obvious he was not interested. As many times as she made herself available to him, he never made a real move. He could have had her anytime and he knew it and she knew it. I do think that House has feelings for Cameron as well as Foreman, Chase, 13 and Taub. I think he was also drawn to Kutner. I think maybe Cameron even maybe gave House a chance to see himself as someone another person could be interested in. There will always be something special between House and his fellows. That doesn’t mean it’s romantic and kissing w/ tongue does not indicate romantic feelings either. Hugh Laurie is HOT. I think he could make kissing an orange look hot! It’s your opinion that the House/Cameron kiss will always be the hottest kiss. It’s not mine. I’m not saying they never explored anything between House and Cameron I’m just saying that even though House gave it a shot, there just wasn’t anything there. Tongue doesn’t equal love or I would have mentioned the tongue in the 2 House/Cuddy kisses. House just wasn’t romantically interested in Cameron and that’s canon. It must sting that all that tongue meant nothing.
“MissHonesty,” I mean no offense, truly I don’t, but could you please divide your longer posts into paragraphs? I am interested in reading your thoughts in posts #13 and #30, but they are difficult to read in one big chunk. (Or maybe it’s just my old eyes.) Again, no offense intended, just a respectful request.
Sorry, MissHonesty, I meant your posts #13 and #32.
Actually no it doesn’t sting because I disagree. I think it did mean something. I also think that Cameron meant something to House and still does. I saw a lot of lip chewing between House and Cuddy and supposed “passion”, but to me, it fell flat. It looked like they were trying too hard to convey feelings that were not there, whereas the House/Cameron kiss seemed effortless and natural.
They are really pushing the Huddy but that is because tptb changed their direction and decided to go with House/Cuddy and for whatever reason dropped House/Cameron. It’s great that your ship is the otp now, but remember that the shoe could easily have been on the other foot and imagine how you would feel if it was.
No matter what is happening on the show, I always have been and always will be a House/Cameron shipper. In their heyday you just couldn’t beat their chemistry. Even non shippers admit that they saw the chemistry between House/Cameron. Hugh and Jen came up with those wonderful eye moments, they were completely unscripted and that made them even better. As much as House is supposed to be in love with Cuddy, Hugh never tries to have those eye moments with Lisa (just an observation). I’ve been shying away from fandom because I find the pettiness tiring. I stopped watching mid season four because the show no longer resembled what it once was. Now it seems like the writers are getting their ideas from bad fan fiction and that is truly sad. I agree with the people who said that there shouldn’t be any relationships on the show. The writers obviously cannot write them.
For the record, I think the reviewer is a fine writer. If you don’t agree with what he/she said that’s your right, you shouldn’t attack them personally for it. I do have to chuckle at the mention of Barbara Barnett. I’ve read her reviews and she’s not as talented a writer as the Huddy fans make her out to be. She has a glaringly obvious Huddy bias (that borders on sickening, yet I refrain from commenting there because I do not agree). The woman has a live journal account where she posts her Huddy fan fiction for crying out loud. Of course Huddy fans will just adore her, lol.
So now you are suggesting that there was/is something special between Hugh and Jenn. I think that came from Jennifer Morrison herself. I think it’s shameful to try to make it about the two actors moments! It’s very disrespectful and untrue too boot. If there was something between House and Cameron, it was short lived and she has since been written out of the show. To imply that there was something special between Hugh Laurie and Jennifer Morrison is stooping very low. If you have been shying away from fandom because of the pettiness then I think you should continue to shy away because what you just posted is the epitome of pettiness., And, btw, if you haven’t watched the show since mid season 4, I don’t think you have the information necessary to share your opinion on what’s happening now on the show.
Um, I think the original poster (Terri) was commenting on Hugh and Jennifer’s interactions while they were acting. You know, that thing where they do their jobs?
Saying that Hugh and Jennifer portray their characters’ attraction/chemistry very naturally, is a perfectly legitimate observation. You don’t have to agree with it, but in no way is it a “petty” statement. S/he wasn’t suggesting that Hugh and Jennifer have something going on, s/he was saying that they’re really good at playing out the House/Cameron attraction.
And one doesn’t have to watch every single episode from mid season 4 onward to have an opinion on current episodes. If someone gets sick of a current episode 20 minutes in and changes the channel, their opinion doesn’t count for less just because they didn’t stick out the entire episode or the entire season.
I in absolutely no way meant to imply that there was anything going on between Hugh and Jennifer. It is a well known fact that they used to collaborate on their scenes together and that those eye moments that the House/Cameron fans love so much were completely unscripted. I was just pointing out that for all of the Huddy hubbub, I haven’t heard anything about Hugh and Lisa collaborating in a similar way. It was merely an observation, nothing more. Jennifer Morrison has been nothing but classy in her interactions with Hugh, always showing a deep respect. Lisa E on the other hand has been less than professional towards Hugh at times and that is all I will say about that.
Yes, though I haven’t watched an entire episode since mid season four, I have watched any House/Cameron clips and even sat through the House/Cuddy clips to see how they were. I also read the episode discussions so I have a grasp of what is happening on the show and can form an opinion based on what I read.
In my life, people have tried to kiss me. If I didn’t want to kiss them, I didn’t. That was a slowly initiated kiss. House had plenty of time to pull away, if he didn’t want it. Nobody says, “Oh, what the hell”. He was definitely into it.
Secondly, maybe House being the smart guy that he is was aware enough that he could never be what Cameron needed and didn’t pursue her because he cared about her, and recognizing what a fragile person she is, didn’t want to “ruin” her like so many other thing he has ruined.
Who said he didn’t want to kiss her? Not me I’m pretty sure. He said he thought she was hot but thinking someone’s hot doesn’t mean love. House is a man not a monk. Of course he’s not going to push her away. But, just because he kissed back doesn’t mean he had feelings for her. If he had, he would have pursued her and he didn’t. House just took advantage of the opportunity at hand, precisely because it meant nothing to him. Except for the fact that we weren’t told she was fragile at that time and the fact that House has only just begun to think seriously about the feelings of other people more than his own since the white bus with Amber, you might get away with saying that House loved Cameron so much he didn’t want to ruin her. Trouble is, House doesn’t hide his feelings and we we were never shown that House either loved Cameron or was conflicted about not having a relationship with her. It’s just not there.
House has been hiding his feeling about people since the show began. There are so many times in the first three seasons where you see House conflicted over his feelings for a person whether it be patient, friend, or romantic interest–long before that scene with Amber on the bus.
I never said I thought House loved Cameron. Love is not something I’ve ever seen successfully illustrated on that entire show!
That being said, I think it’s very evident that House is conflicted about what to do in regards to Cameron in the early part of the series and whether or not to pursue a more-than-friendly relationship with her. This is illustrated in the first season by his impulses to “seek her out” and his heightened interest in her overall (asking about her well being, returning her Christmas gift, getting upset when Wilson implies he might be pursuing her). However, as much as House seems to have the impulse to want to be around her, his response to those impulses seems to be to push her away once she gets too close. I think it was evident that he knew there was no possibility that something between them would work regardless of his curiosity and/or romantic inclinations, and that he was better off just not going there, knowing how much she liked him and what an emotional person she was. Moreover, I think House viewed it as a hassle. It wasn’t something he was prepared to deal then or ever. Cameron seemed to want too much from him.
So, overall, I don’t think they’re like “omg true love”, but I do happen to think that they’re a much more interesting, complex, and believable couple than Huddy will ever be.
He said “I love you” to get a cheek swab for a medical test she needed. Chase and Foreman had already left the room. Cameron kissed him to get blood for a medical test he needed. No one else was in the room. The two scenarios are perfectly comparable. They each had an underlying motive for their actions; they each deceived the other in a very similar way.
I wasn’t inferring that House meant the words “I love you,” when he did that. In fact, I think it was a cruel thing to do to her, which is my point. He acted like a jerk to her in that moment, even if his intentions were good (getting the cheek swab). But the fandom at large bashes Cameron for that kiss, but never mentions what he did to her. In other words, the male characters get a pass on bad behavior way more often the females.
As for whether or not he had feelings for Cameron, I believe he did. You can deny it all you want, but plenty of people saw it. That’s what I don’t get, that you continue to deny it when most House/Cameron shippers acknowledge that House has feelings for Cuddy or Lydia or Wilson. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. I didn’t see anything shippy between House and Cuddy until season three. But I know there are plenty of people who did, so it’s a pointless waste of time to try to talk them out of it. I don’t even know why one would bother.
No no offense taken and yes I can do that in the future. I’ll fix those posts also if there is a way to do that.
My apologies if I read that statement wrong. I was seeing the words that Hugh and Jennifer have a special chemistry that they display while Hugh never tries to have chemistry with Lisa. When it’s that little thing they do called acting, then they are their characters, not Jennifer and Hugh and Lisa. So it was interpreted by me to mean the actors not the characters.
I’ll not try to change your mind or the posters because we obviously see things differently. Let me just say this again, if the chemistry between House and Cameron was so compelling, it would be the ship of the show. If House had romantic
feelings for Cameron, it would be written into the show. It has never been explicitly written. I’m thinking if Hameron was canon, the writers and show runners would not have decided to stop writing for Cameron. When you have a compelling relationship, you don’t write one half of it out of the show.
As far as expressing an opinion about a show you haven’t watched since mid season 4, you are correct if you are saying she has just as much right to express her opinion as anyone else but that doesn’t make hers a valid opinion because you just can’t form an educated opinion about something you don’t watch. It’s just not possible.
It’s your right to have the opinion that House and Cameron are more compelling. I just want to point out that I said “House has only just begun to think seriously about the feelings of other people more than his own since the white bus with Amber”. I never said he didn’t have feelings. I didn’t say he didn’t have feelings for other people. I said that after his experience on the white bus, he began to try to consider other people’s feelings more than his own. You said yourself that House viewed a relationship with Cameron as a hassle because she wanted too much from him.If you love someone you don’t consider it a “hassle” to get them. I do agree that Cameron was way to needy for House. As for House not showing that he wanted Cameron because he thought it would never work….He also thought the same about Cuddy but it didn’t stop him from pursuing her. He hasn’t even given up now so it’s my opinion that what we have seen is evidence of his choice not to pursue Cameron because he didn’t love her in a romantic way. He thought about it but rejected it. House goes after what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think that’s true. It’s obvious as the show continues that House is getting more lonely and more reckless in many ways. I almost see his pursuit of Cuddy as somewhat selfish because he knows deep down he could never make her truly happy. He could never be a father to her child or be a stable significant other. Courting her with that knowledge is extremely selfish, and while it may indicate that he desires her greatly, it also conflicts with the idea that he really loves her–because if you really love someone in a mature, grown-up way, you do what’s best for them. If you could call his feelings love you certainly can’t contend that they are mature feelings of love. I think House as we see him now was very different than in the first season. As his desperation and loneliness grows, so does the hole inside him that needs filling. I’m not trying to say Cuddy is convenient, but rather I think a lot of their relationship has to do with House’s current state of affairs.
At the end of the day, I guess my point is, House is a jerk when it comes to relationships, and I don’t think he should be in one. I admire that Cameron was able to see House, know him for what he is, know that she loved him, but know that he was wrong for her in the end. Cameron thought she could heal him, and she was wrong. I doubt it will be any different with Cuddy.
But if you think about it, it’s kind of bittersweet that way in terms of TV dramatics.
I’m not going to read all the comments here, because I know they’ll just let me doubt mankind. I love the show because of House, I like Cameron a lot, but I also like Cuddy, or used to, I don’t like what they made out of her in the last two seasons. Which is also what makes me highly dislike Huddy (not hate, hate is a too forcefull emotion, after all this is just a TV show). In general I think it is a mistake to focus too much one ship. But actually there is one thing I really hate (and yes, this time it’s “hate”) – that’s the nastyness among fans and the nastyness from fans towards actors of the show. I’ve met so many mean people bashing other people for what they like or don’t like without even taking a second to think about their motives, or bashing the actors and characters – I’ve never seen anything like this before in any other fandom. And that’s sad. This show is so smart, it’s fans on the other hand often make the impression of not being smart at all. For example, was it so hard to show a little support towards Jennifer? You don’t have to be her biggest fan or the biggest fan of her character, but a bit of loyalty towards one of the original cast is not asked too much. I’d support each and everyone of the actors from the original cast, because they are ALL part of the show I’ve loved for 6 years! They are ALL part of the show’s success and they ALL deserve our loyalty, each and everyone of them.
Hameron.
I don’t know why the authors changed OTP to repeat a non-relationship 😦
if huddy would become the arc that make House and Cuddy in a difficult interesting adult relationship the show probably wouldn’t suffer of the BIG loss of audience.
Huddy is a Hameron copy and they wouldn’t go anywhere because the writers don’t wanto to make House go anywhere. Cameron or Cuddy doesn’t count anymore as the quality of the show itself. I don’t think Hilson could save the day without a good strong Hameron or Huddy partner.
I miss my show a lot.
House/Cameron and House/Cuddy are both valid ships with feelings/attractions on both sides, and denying that either is not a canon ship is stupid and pointless. Now having said that, I personally like the House/Cameron ship better. I also liked it better when House was a procedural first and soapy nature of the show was not as predominate. I also will say that I could have liked House/Cuddy if it had been written/handled better. Ret-cons and ignoring valid issues like the adoption of Rachel have ruined any like I could have had for this ship. (
With Stacy, we learned why House was so broken he couldn’t even try a relationship with Cameron. Stacy was a plot device to delay House/Cameron and advance the story. The show continued pushing House/Cameron as the main ship through to mid season 3.
If you look at the text of the episodes (not the subtext which is subjective), the show was pushing House/Cameron until the end of the Tritter arc. In All In, House made lewd comments about Cuddy’s breasts but his jaw dropped when he saw Cameron all dressed up. In Meaning, when he thought he was well, the first thing he did was ask Cameron out for drinks even though it was in a back-handed way because he was worried she would say no. In Merry Little Christmas, he not only let Cameron in, he let her bind his cuts even though he knew she hadn’t brought him drugs whereas he shut the door in Cuddy’s face.
There was an executive producer decision to change direction in the second half of season 3 and move away from House/Cameron to House/Cuddy. Part of that was cutting House off from the emotional connections he had shared with both Chase and Cameron and limiting him to Cuddy and Wilson. Another was the out-of-nowhere Cameron/Chase hook-up when she’d been adamant up till then that she wasn’t interested in Chase.
Whatever the reason, it wasn’t because there was no chemistry between HL and JM (many interviewers had commented on the chemistyr), or because a story examining House’s relationship with Cameron wasn’t interesting.
For me, the problem with House/Cuddy is that it’s written like the worst of Harlequin romances. There was little respect by House for Cuddy until this season when the writers realized their mistakes and they still behave very immaturely towards each other. You can’t build a serious ‘ship based on Cuddy acting like she wants to jump House’s bones even when he’s cruel to her and House alternating between being obnoxious towards her and lusting after her, both states somewhere stuck in adolescence.
Chemistry is in the eye of the beholder. But I preferred House in seasons 1 – 3 when he was acting like an adult rather than the whiny self-centred brat he is with Cuddy these days.
Just adding my 2 cents here. Stacy was a plot device to give us a chance to learn more about House. The show was basically done exploring House with Cameron by the end of the 1 st season. Stacy was also there to give House some closure with her so that he could move on. Every one and everything on the show is about House, not Cameron or Cameron and House nor House and Cuddy. Even Cuddy is there to reveal more about House.
By season 2, after Stacy left the show was moving toward House’s interest in Cuddy. Even before Stacy left, his interest was starting to be written more boldly instead of just subtext. They did tease Hameron and I personally thought that was cruel to the Hameron fans.
I think you have missed the point of the show somewhat. Just because House and Cuddy have always had a strange relationship doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work for both of them. House is not exactly a regular person who approaches people as others do. It’s a screwed up relationship and that makes it more interesting. At least Cuddy doesn’t whine and make puppy eyes at House. There were some nice little moments between House and Cameron but the shippers blew them way out of proportion.
I’m pretty sure that HL and JM had to collaborate on their scenes because there was nothing there and it needed to be worked out in advance as well as the fact that I’m sure JM needed a lot of direction. But you see what you see and I see what I see.
HL and LE never needed to collaborate because they have natural chemistry that needs no fine tuning. Plus LE is extremely talented and can hold her own with HL. Hugh has often commented on the talents or Lisa and Robert and praises them at every opportunity. He has a tremendous respect for them and is friends with both of them.
Hugh Laurie is an executive producer. If he had felt strongly about keeping Jennifer on the show, she would not have been written out. If he didn’t enjoy Lisa’s flirty behavior, he would either stop it or she wouldn’t be on the show. He has said many times that they are very close, that they have laughed and cried together and have a lot of mutual respect. He has said that if he could pick two people to watch on screen it would be Lisa and Robert. Nothing that either of them say is disrespectful of the other. They should be allowed to be friends, have witty banter and respect each other w/out other people trying to make it more than it is.
Jennifer has said in an EOnline! interview that she finds that she and Hugh have that sexual chemistry and that even as actors they have moments of sexual chemistry that are natural for them as people. I’s say that is a pretty disrespectful comment. Yet I’ve never heard Hugh say anything similar about Jennifer nor has he praised her talent. He has said she is beautiful and young and nothing more.
We obviously have differences of opinion. And yes, you can watch clips and read other people’s comments but you will never be able to offer an opinion based on the big picture because you haven’t watched full episodes and the show is much to layered and intelligent to be able to understand by watching random clips and forum comments. From what you described, you are watching from a shippers POV and the show is so much much more than that.
I ship Huddy since the pilot. I´ve always found this ship interesting and sexy. I didn´t enjoy a couple of episodes in season 5 and season 6 it´s quite hard to understand for me but the strong and unique chemistry between Hugh and Lisa is more then enough to keep me shipping them. I never saw anything similar between House and Cameron. I liked some of their scenes but they never made me feel the way that huddy makes me feel.
I have also shipped huddy since the pilot. I always thought there was chemistry there and we have seen it in all five seasons. Though this sixth season has been quite negative for huddy fans everywhere, true huddy fans will stick with them and wait, because that much chemistry for that long has to go somewhere at some point. I don’t think huddy can be ignored much longer simply for the fact that ppl either love it or hate it and it seems tons love it. But whatever your opinion is, everyone will blatantly say that House shippers are definitely some of the craziest out there. HUDDY FTW!
I ship Huddy since the pilot. [2]
And that’s it! Huddy rules 😀
Another huddy fan here! I love them together. They do make me feel funny, lol. I also ship Hilson in a romantic way but Huddy will always be my OTP.
I have been a Huddy shipper since the 1st episode. Not just their scene in the elevator caught my attention but also the one where she comes out of the patients room after discovering she is so much better and meets House in the hallway. They have a little verbal exchange and she walks off. The look on House’s face says all there is to say about his feelings for Cuddy. He adores her, admires her and his look as he watched her walk away was one of sheer longing! It’s always been House and Cuddy.
The unique way that House looks at Cuddy is what made me a Huddy. House turned me into a Huddy in season 2 episode Humpty Dumpty. I was rooting for Hameron until then. House and Cuddy have that kind of unconvencional relationship that makes a show much more interesting to watch. They are the best on screen couple since Mulder and Scully.
“Vocal & dedicated.” Yup – they are also batshit insane.
A good analogy is that Lisa Cuddy is the Sarah Palin of tv fandom & the Huddies are the equivalent of teabaggers & attack anything that conflicts with their shippy worldview.
You just have to look at their wankish behavior when the character of Lydia appeared on the scene – they went off the deep end (again). Look here for supporting evidence http://community.livejournal.com/house_cuddy/2222192.html (the fox fan forum deleted all the delusional ravings & death threats to David Shore, but this is illustrative).
It means they conveniently gloss over facts such as Cuddy committed a criminal act in lying on the stand, that she’s actually well matched to Lucas since they both play malicious tricks of tripping House up, never mind she auctioned off her thong to an employee. And while she knows exactly how many towels there should be, she has no clue about her staff murdering patients, faking medical records & getting high on the job. And anyone who points this out “must” be a bitter hameron – just like anyone who criticizes Palin “must” be anti-American, a socialist & palling around with terrorists.
See the parallels? They even look alike.
Dear lord. I read some of those posts, and I have to say I was genuinely frightened.
It has long been my though that SOME (i don’t say “all” in case they actually hurt me) Huddy fans are insane. Yes. But this is just taking it too far.
I have never really intensely shipped anyone – I enjoyed House/Cameron’s interactions but was glad nothing came of it, I’ve always loved House/Wilson’s dysfunctional friendship, and I enjoyed House/Cuddy’s witty banter.
Now that it has indeed turned into this “shipping wars”? Yeah, a little too much for me.
It seems now that TPTB seems to be writing for these delusional fans who idolize Cuddy and Lisa Eldelstein (and, while I’m sure they’re both very nice people – oh wait, Cuddy’s NOT REAL), the quality of the show has definitely gone down. And it will continue to go down as Cuddy’s flaws are over-exposed, just like what happened with Sarah Palin.
I miss the days when the character interaction was so subtle. House and Cameron days – not because I liked THEM (although I wasn’t opposed to them), I just liked it when a “ship” wasn’t the focus of the show, and stuff between a potential pairing only happened like once every few episodes.
Wow! You take this stuff way too seriously. The Hameron shippers are pretty far out and have exceeded all manner of strange behavior like spamming the show writers , directors and actors on Twitter with the same old thing over and over and don’t forget the Hamerons burning pictures of Katie Jacobs and making posters saying death to David Shore and actually giving Jennifer Morrison panties with Hugh and Jenn on the back. Sounds like the Sara Palin’s of the world if you ask me. And one of you lovely Hamerons called Cuddy an old whore on Ausiello’s site. And what about all the bad wishes for the show and the celebrations when the show’s ratings aren’t up to par. If you guys want to bash a fandom, look to yourselves first because no Huddy or Hilson ever stooped so low. If you guys call yourselves fans of the show then I’m sure the show can do without you because no show needs fans who do and say these things. Fortunately there are no parallels to Hamerons. They stand all alone in their outrageous behavior, none of which can be justified. Yep, Hamerons are definitely batshit insane.
You really have a very objective view, agreed on many accounts. I personally preferred the subtlety and the romantic nature of the House/Cameron dynamic. There was enough unsaid yearning and tension between them to have me completely hooked. I have stopped watching the show since season 4 and I am proud that my ship was a defining part of what made House MD a success. No matter what anyone says, I am convinced that the majority of fans jumped ship in season 3 or 4.
I really hope Cameron comes back, realizing this might be far fetched.
The unique way House TREATS Cuddy is what made me an anti-Huddy. It’s appalling. He shows total disrespect for her and encourages his (second) team to do likewise. “Bring me the thong of Lisa Cuddy!” is not showing or encouraging respect. Constant references to her breasts and @ss, flouting her authority at every turn, mocking her when she wanted to become a mother, embarrassing her in front of important potential donors, sabotaging her hospital inspections in order to get a television in his office, mocking her feelings for him in front of his subordinates, grabbing her breast when she threw herself at him… The list goes on and on. He is an extremely selfish man who would never EVER want to play second fiddle to a toddler, and would make Cuddy’s life miserable if she were ever foolish enough to take this overgrown child into her home and bed.